Analysis of UN Vote for Pal State – 138 v. 9

Two weeks ago while learning the Talmud Yerushalmi, I came accross a strange passage where a Sage encountered an Arab, who told him the name of Moshiach, “מנחמ”. Then, another Sage states that the name of Moshiach is “צמח”.

The Talmud states that this is not a contradiction, because the gematria of both names equals 138.

Since I’m into gematrias, I meditated on this piece for a while, cycling through various possible significances of the number 138. Of course, the first thought is always the simplest – in this case, the number in a simple word. Here, 138 is חלק, which means to “split”, or a “portion”.

Two weeks later, enter the UN vote. First, it must be understood clearly what the vote was for, a Pal State with “East Jerusalem” (the Old City & Temple Mount) as its capital.

138 nations voted for splitting Jerusalem, 9 voted against. And, as we know from Zeharia 14:1 (הנה יומ בא ל’ד וחלק שללך בקרבך) the splitting leads to Moshiach.

And there is also a deep message in the vote regarding the 9 – Avraham asked Hashem to save Sodom for the sake of 40, then 30, then 20, then 10. Hashem agreed to save Sodom for the sake of 10 righteous people. There were not 10 righteous people, and Sodom was doomed.

Think implication is clear for us to understand.

 

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41 Responses to Analysis of UN Vote for Pal State – 138 v. 9

  1. M.E. says:

    Extremely beautiful analysis!

    To me it also reflects a beautiful hint that Moshiach (his name is Menachem) is fighting his war – in his way. The nine is also a number that signifies truth (as its small gematria suggests).

  2. Devash says:

    Very interesting idea. Great to see you back.

  3. Evy says:

    Vatican and “Palestine” as non observing members…Esav and Ishmael as key witnesses of Nations’ Fall which is underway…Thank you for your gematrias :) ! Am Isroel Chai

  4. I have a question since I am not certain of the demographics of Jerusalem, but in regards to the Zechariah 14:2 prophecy:

    “I will gather all nations to Jerusalem for the war; the city will be captured, the houses will be pillaged and the women will be violated; half the city will go out into exile, but the rest of the people will not be eliminated from from the city.”

    Couldn’t it be said that in essence this has already happened? And the Arabs already control the Temple Mount otherwise Jews could pray there when they want. The UN declaration seems more of an official declaration of what is already taken place on the ground?

    • jewishendofdays says:

      All the nations means ALL the nations. And the verse talks about Jews being forcibly removed from their homes, G-d forbid.

      But I pray you are right!

      • I don’t know, it just seems to me that at least half, and possibly even more than half, of Jerusalem “The Old City” is already in exile? I’m seeing that there are Armenian, Chrisitian, Jewish, and Muslim Quaters in The Old City- with the Muslim Quarter being the largest. Here is my reference for this-

        http://www.goisrael.com/Tourism_Eng/Articles/Attractions/Pages/OldCityJerusalem.aspx

        Also, as for ALL nations going against Jerusalem, ALL nations are pushing for a 2 state “peace” solution and have been for way toooo long now, which in my mind (most especially at this point in history) is the same in essence as going against Jerusalem and of course the rest of Israel as well. Even that Harper guy from Canada who has been very supportive of Israel and upset about the Palestinians UN vote- is still saying how it “hurts’ the 2 state peace process, and this same nonsense talk is coming from America too. At a time when everyone and their mother should “know” by now that here is no such thing as a 2 state “peace” process, there never was and there never will be “peace” in the 2 state process they all keep speaking of. So, now I’m just wondering if it’s possible that this whole 2 state peace process plan was/is the hook in the jaws (jaws, plural) mentioned? I mean the whole world still supports this crazy notion… “The Peace Process Must Go On- No Matter What” seems to be the accepted motto.

      • Dov Bar-Leib says:

        and women being violated. The Haftarah reading on Sukkot is softened to women being laid with by the invading force. But this all happened painfully in 1948. (Homes were ransacked, women violated, and the City was definitely divided and Jews were forcibly removed from their homes too in the Eastern half of the City.) Yes, it was only the Arab Legion and not the entire world, but the division of Yerushalayim does not have to happen twice in one century. It is a negative prophesy that has already occurred and definitely does not have to happen again. Yet, all the good things in Zecharia 14 such as the splitting of the Mt. of Olives must occur.

      • jewishendofdays says:

        I strongly believe the split fortold in Zecharia is the one the Nations are attempting now. But I hope and pray it has already occurred and I am wrong!

  5. Can someone help me with this verse? Zechariah 14:1 says “…and half the city shall go forth into exile-and the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city.”

    I’m sorry, I can’t read Hebrew, but I know it’s taught that the way things are written in Tanach are very specific and meaningful. Therefore, I am wondering what the exact translation is/ or why it states exactly “half” of the city will be put into exile and “the rest” of the people shall not be cut off. Are we to assume that the “half” means 50%? And if so, what would “the rest” equal?
    It seems that if “the rest” meant the remaining 50% then it would specify that by stating the other “half” not being cut off from the land. Therefore, it makes me think that “half” does not translate to mean 50%? But what does it mean then? I must be missing something. If someone can help me out with understanding this verse I thank you very much in advance.

  6. M.E. says:

    Stillwaters, you may want to run deep, but you may come up empty simply because prophecies are to be taken literally, otherwise we’d all have this knowledge in our pockets. The best we can do is rely on Rebbes that gave us their explanations. I don’t say we cannot for ourselves fathom them, but assuming they it remains a riddle and not a clear textual statement.

  7. Thanks M.E. I hear you.. but I think that’s what I was trying to do is get a “literal” translation on the verse since I don’t know how to translate it.. but it could be you are right in that even if I had the proper (Hebrew) translation, that it would still be some sort of a riddle. Thank you for making me think.

  8. Ok, this is all I could finally come up with, and can only hope and pray I’m right.

    “I will gather all nations to Jerusalem for the war, (the gathering already happened)

    the city will be captured, the houses will be pillaged and the women will be violated; half the city will go out into exile,(already happened)

    but the rest of the people will not be eliminated from from the city.” (this remains the same)

    Next to happen is “The” war, Gog and Magog?.. but there will be divine intervention on a level that even ALL the nations will not be able to deny like 1967 was denied/ignored.

    If so, may we merit the level of divine intervention we may be in need of.

  9. Dov Bar-Leib says:

    Excellent. The Gematriah of Tzemach and Menachem is 138 the same number of votes to create the mythical Arab State of the Pelishtim (invaders in any Semitic tongue). It is good to be a nation that dwells alone with our G-d. As the followers of the gods of wood and stone bark at our feet.

    not to worry. We are already in month five of the nine months of Gog UMagog.

  10. Dov Bar-Leib says:

    And as Pollard continues to suffer in prison, the US loses all of its positive merit from their “NO” vote. I won’t even speculate what will happen if the worst happens. Canada under Stephen Harper is a different issue. Harper is truly a righteous gentile. Why do you suppose that Canada is being lead by such a gem at the End of Days? And maybe the Czechs remember the golem from Prague and are still grateful for saving their city? And now I want to go to the South Pacific on a dream vacation more than I ever wanted to before. Nauru, Micronesia, and the Marshall Islands are singing we welcome you!

    • Dov Bar-Leib says:

      Sorry it was the Maharal who saved the City of Prague by erasing the Aleph on the word Emeth written on the Golem, and the Golem was Meith and died. So maybe they are still grateful for that too?

      • Dov Bar-Leib says:

        The 6th Lubavitcher Rebbe often called the Friediger Rebbe (Rav Yosef Yitzchak) claimed that he saw the remains of the Golem of Prague at the Alt-Neu Synagogue in Prague in the genizah of the synagogue. But I will look at any book about the Golem. fascinating subject and perhaps the real reason behind Czech’s NO vote.

      • Dov Bar-Leib says:

        I guess I trust the judgement and eyes of the 6th Lubavitcher Rebbe over a “film crew”. It must be remembered that during the Shoah, the Nazis had access to the genizah and may have removed the body of the Golem for occult purposes. The Nazis were big into this type of “research”, and it was not always recorded as a written record in their archives precisely because it was so bizarre. The Friediger Rebbe saw the remains of the Golem before the Shoah.

      • jewishendofdays says:

        FYI all, Shilo is a Messianic gentile.

  11. Zechariah 14:2- “I will gather all nations to Jerusalem for the war; the city will be captured, the houses will be pillaged and the women will be violated; half the city will go out into exile, but the rest of the people will not be eliminated from from the city.”

    I know I sound a little crazy but please hear me out. The reason(s) why I think ALL the nations have already been gathered to Jerusalem for the war and that half of Jerusalem was already put into exile, etc,-

    In May 1948, Jordan invaded and occupied east Jerusalem, dividing the city for the first time in its history, and driving thousands of Jews — whose families had lived in the city for centuries — into exile. For the next 19 years, the city was split, with Israel establishing its capital in western Jerusalem and Jordan occupying the eastern section, which included the Old City and most religious shrines.

    The following is information is from the official United Nations website and correlates with the above-

    The United Nations Truce Supervision Organization (UNTSO) was established and set up in May 1948 by UN Security Council resolution 50 (1948) to assist the United Nations Mediator and the Truce Commission in supervising the observance of the truce in Palestine. The UNTSO was the first ever peacekeeping operation established by the United Nations. It is IMPORTANT TO NOTE that at this very same time, in 1948, the UN had already included “representatives of over eighty percent of the world’s population, people of every race, religion and continent; all being determined to set up an organization which would preserve peace and help build a better world.”

    Re-read it again and you’ll find that in 1948 the United Nations contained people of “ALL races, religions, and continents.” I also found it interesting that the “Mission facts” shown for this “first ever peacekeeping operation” lists the mission headquarters as the “Government House, Jerusalem” while the duration of this mission is listed as being from “May 1948 to present!”

    As a side note: There has been no mention to date of when the UN reached 100% representation of world “population” nor is there a time listed that shows when there were only 70 member states enlisted. The United Nations website tells us that it officially began in 1945 with 51 member states “representing over 80% of the world’s population, with people of every race, religion and continent; all determined to set up an organization which would preserve peace and help build a better world.”

    States kept being added continuously throughout the years, today there are 193 members.

    Therefore,all of the above is why I think it is possible that Zechariah 14:2 has already happened. Next is “the” war of Gog and Magog.

    • jewishendofdays says:

      I wish you were right that the split happened, but its a forced analysis. Truly, the only time there was “Jewish” rule over the Old City is post 1967. In light of current events, the “split” foretold in scripture is the one the Nations are now attempting to carry out.

      • “Truly, the only time there was “Jewish” rule over the Old City is post 1967.”

        But technically speaking, “Jewish rule” over the Old City would include sole Jewish sovereignty over the Temple Mount and if there really were sole Jewish sovereignty then the Waqf wouldn’t be doing their excavations, etc.

  12. “God exists in this equation of who the Mashiach will be.”

    I don’t think I follow, what exactly is meant by this?

    I agree that none of us can be confident in exactly what will happen between the current times up until what G-d has promised as the result, to where “it’s all good” since we’re told in the end we’ll be able see how everything was only for the good (all for the best) but how many of us can fully comprehend this now?

    • Like I said/asked.. how many of us can fully comprehend this now?
      Because, considering such painful details (which like you, I was) then it seems impossible. As for the much simpler road that could have cancelled all that negativity (details) of our past, that is all part of it. And all we have now is the current moment.

      “Don’t ever kid yourself, we are deserving of the matzav!”

      Exactly, the question becomes for how much longer?

  13. Then maybe we could at least start by wanting to want it.

  14. Dov Bar-Leib says:

    The Litwack (Mitnaged) rabbis and the Gerrer Rebbe already delayed the Geulah by one Shmittah cycle from the Gog ben Gog Shmittah cycle until the one that we are in now because they enabled the atrocity called the geirush from Gush Katif by joining Sharon for money. So instead of Gog we get the half Muslim half Xtian (iron and clay) 11th horn dude from Sefer Daniel whose cycle cannot be delayed any longer. Notice there are no significant Gog figures in this Shmittah cycle and in the present attempt to divide Yerushalayim. We collectively simply blew a Biblical opportunity.over 7 years ago. Now the BeSh”T received his prophesies from Achiyah HaShiloni. So this was a bad prophesy that came true and therefore again does not need to be repeated in this Shmittah Cycle. As a matter of fact, this Cycle is clearly the End of the previous Eidan (Age) in the world. So there will be no more delays by rabbis into a third End of Days Shmittah cycle. Ask yourself: Why is Gog ben Gog (whose father was nicknamed Magog) back on his ranch in Crawford, Texas and not buried in the Valley of HamonGog?? because it was delayed by our horrible acts reflecting a lack of common decency.

  15. jewishendofdays says:

    You are not “we”. You are not Jewish, and you do not believe in the Torah and the Sages of the Talmud.

    • Dov Bar-Leib says:

      I think that Shilo is a partial Messianic Jew who believes that Yoshke was Mashiach ben Yosef, but you will have to ask him. Yet, of course this is not the case, but this is what he believes.

    • Dov Bar-Leib says:

      Shilo: Yoshke could not be MBYosef because after he died Edom ruled for 2000 years. Yoshke was an itinerant preacher who disrupted holy commerce on the Temple Mount by overturning moneychangers who were converting larger coins into Half-shekel coins. This was a perfectly permissible act in the Court of the Gentiles built by King Herod. There was nothing unholy about it. The Ct of the Gentiles was built up by King Herod so that the nations of the world could gather in a nice and spacious plaza, but one who is tameh meit could walk there if he wanted as long as he went to a regular mikvah first before ascending. Ask Moshe Feiglin about his regular Aliyot to the Temple Mount. Just avoid the areas in the center of the Temple Mt. past the Chiel. So on the Mount, holy commerce was permissible. But Yoshke was an ignoramus because he thought mistakenly that the entire Temple Mt. was forbidden for this since the Ct. of the Gentiles was already built for about 50 years prior to his temper tantrum. There is so much about the New Testament that displays his ignorance about the delicate balance of the halakhic process. Unlike Sharia Law, lehavdil, Jewish Law allows for extenuating circumstances for almost everything except murder, idolatry, and sexual immorality. So he sees how the Mephoshim (Pharisees) apply the laws based on extenuating circumstances and calls them hypocrites. Sorry, but it was Yoshke who was an ignoramus. He may have been historic, but he was no Rabbi or great sage. And as for him being MBYosef, lehefech, because of him Edom ruled for another 1700 years since Constantine. MBYosef is supposed to be Sitno shel Esav. Yoshke on the other hand, was Esav’s best friend.

    • Dov Bar-Leib says:

      Ok, Shilo, then let us ask. Who is the historical Jew from 2000 years ago about whom you are referring? Who in your mind was Mashiach ben Yosef from 2000 years ago?? Please answer point blank so that we can understand where you are coming from. Thank you in advance for clarifying this for all of us. And if you mention a name, please tell us where we can read about this historical figure that no one seems to know about except you and the late Rishon LeTzion Rav Mordechai Eliyahu zt”l

      • jewishendofdays says:

        Oy vey! I went through this whole garbage with Shilo years ago. Shilo is not Jewish. He is a Messianic

          gentile

        , but will never reveal the truth.

        Please, DBL, just stop wasting your time, or I’ll just delete all of Shilo’s comments altogether. He’s just another example of an anti-semitic gentile who thinks he knows more than the Jews.

        Shilo, just telling it like it is. If you don’t like, then just move on.

  16. jewishendofdays says:

    Why is it slander to call you a gentile? You are, correct? Look, I have nothing against righteous gentiles, but I do have issues with those who do not tell the truth about what they believe. Please, let’s agree to disagree and just don’t read my blog. (I cannot figure out how to get you off my post notice list – if you know, please let me know).

  17. sue says:

    Thank you JewishEndofDays for responding regarding Shilo. He is like, you say, a messianic gentile or (jew?) or a Karaite, whatever. His arrogance that his lone unlearned viewpoints are above our holy sages holy interpretations, is reprehensible. You can call it blasphemy, heresy, apikorus, etc. The one who does not believe in the Oral Law (which he admits to) which was given at Sinai together with the Written law – is the same as one who does NOT believe in our holy Torah!

  18. So basically Shilo you don’t believe in the oral Torah?

  19. tal says:

    I thought this blog was supposed to be about viewing the times we live in using traditional sources of our sages and holy books. According to religious jewish perspective. Im surprised the owner allows for comments which have no basis from accepted traditional sources. This is a good blog and the owner has made available some great ideas that he has gleaned from our sages. Something not all of have access to. Thank you to other commenters who are alerting us readers to the fact that some people feel the need to put forth ideas that have nothing to do with accepted traditional jewish sources. And in my opinion really have not place in this blog.

  20. naftulee says:

    I come to read an interesting post about your subject and I find comment after comment filled with you and shilo and reb lieb arguing about whether Shilo is a jew and accepts oral torah … please do yourself a favor and remove these comments … your blog looks LIKE A CIRCUS !!!!! I mean i saw 50+ comments and was like wow lets take a look, but sadly its just you and shilo going at the same dead horse …

  21. Shiloh says:

    So the great Torah follower, you delete my responses to your false libel, remember the story of Job. Todah

  22. Dov Bar-Leib says:

    time for a post on Samantha Power, you might think? up to you, but since this was a post about the UN General Assembly, Samantha Power would bring teeth to a Mammoth Protection Force in the UN Security Council. You might consider this big news.

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